Paul Coffman was the guest for this Space Show program. We began the discussion on rocket engines and fuel given the background and experience of Mr. Coffman. We compared the Apollo engineering and designs to the proposed new hardware designs. We also speculated on what might happen with Congress as well as NASA were the VSE to be based on all new hardware and launch systems. Paul had interesting observations on these issues. We talked quite a bit about NASA funding, congress, and the budget process both from the Apollo era and now.