Guest:  Dr. Wendell Mendell;  Topics:  NASA JSC 2013 retirement, lunar matters, ISRU, settlement, Artemis, the Gateway, SLS, space stories from the past, space history, private sector space development, NASA and the way it operates plus much more.

We welcomed Dr. Patrick Collins back to the show for a two segment 96 minute discussion on multiple topics related to commercial space industrial development, investment, time lines, Mars and the Moon, and economic wealth building for nations.  For most of our discussion, it was a general give and take with Dr. Collins.  Patrick started us off by remembering special space events that take place in early October including the anniversary of Sputnik, the anniversary of the Outer Space Treaty, the first manned spaceflight, and more.  Dr.